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to the afghan taliban? >> we are in continuous contact with them and we do believe that we both have now a common thread and a common task, common objective. and we should coordinate and the situation will impact some of those to deteriorating. and so i think we do see some good indications of that future prospect for more coordinations between our two nations. and it has been expressed in the last two meetings which we had in the form of our apartheid and our chief of staff level and also -- >> charlie: apartheid would be pakistan, afghanistan and the united states. >> yes. we have this arrangement since 2006 that we have this meeting and the chief of staff -- in other meetings which is one level below. in the surface there is a lot of mechanism for coordination, intelligence sharing, sharing knowledge and thins with counter ied. but recently i think they are all argument that we have increased our cooperation and we are operating they will cooperate from their side. >> charlie: can you win without that. >
to the afghan taliban? >> we are in continuous contact with them and we do believe that we both have now a common thread and a common task, common objective. and we should coordinate and the situation will impact some of those to deteriorating. and so i think we do see some good indications of that future prospect for more coordinations between our two nations. and it has been expressed in the last two meetings which we had in the form of our apartheid and our chief of staff level and...
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the heart and pillar home of the taliban. >> rose: has there been a rise of assassinations by the taliban and do you see that as an act of desperation or a change in tactic? >> i think it's both. let me finish the storied about 50 talibans. they said there were two reasons they came over. one was the constant pressure they were feeling from the campaign, a campaign that is both a coalition and ans f campaign. also, they said while fighting foreigners they could get ogether on the cause but when they started encountering capable ansf forces, it's a different ballgame. it's going to become a different ballgame across afghanistan as the ansf move into the lead, as they become more capable across the battle space. >> rose: is there a difference in the terms of the ansf makeup, their ethnic background and the taliban. the ansf is primarily what? >> well, the proportions we seek to have be representative of the population of afghanistan. so there is a large proportion of pashtuns, and other of the minorities. >> rose: what percentage is pashtun, do you think? >> i would have to get you the numb
the heart and pillar home of the taliban. >> rose: has there been a rise of assassinations by the taliban and do you see that as an act of desperation or a change in tactic? >> i think it's both. let me finish the storied about 50 talibans. they said there were two reasons they came over. one was the constant pressure they were feeling from the campaign, a campaign that is both a coalition and ans f campaign. also, they said while fighting foreigners they could get ogether on the...
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and the afghan taliban? >> well, the pakistani taliban in a sense is an offshoot of the afghan taliban. the2afghan taliban was in a sense created, let's be honest, by parkinson's intelligence service at the behest of the united states. whene decided that to mobilize the war lords of afghanistan to chase the soviets out, we mobilized all these fundamentalists, the fundamentalists congealed in a sense into this taliban government that took hold after we... soviets were defeated. we said "okay, fine, so long," leaving this whole mess to the pakistanis and, you know, they kind of organized their allies and the taliban took control and the pakistanis were reasonably satisfied with it. and then as we know,ç that bece a safe haven for al qaeda, blew up in parkinson's face and they had to deal with it. as an offshoot of that, there was a pakistani version of the taliban that evolved. in the swat valley, for exampleç afghan mullahs would come into the local mosques. i mean, you know, one of the things that the pa
and the afghan taliban? >> well, the pakistani taliban in a sense is an offshoot of the afghan taliban. the2afghan taliban was in a sense created, let's be honest, by parkinson's intelligence service at the behest of the united states. whene decided that to mobilize the war lords of afghanistan to chase the soviets out, we mobilized all these fundamentalists, the fundamentalists congealed in a sense into this taliban government that took hold after we... soviets were defeated. we said...
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and the afghanistan taliban? >> the biggest difference is who the target is. the taliban want to create their version of an islamic state in pakistan and on pakistani territory and soil and the afghan have the same purpose but their target is in afghanistan. all these extremist groups, whether al qaeda or the different factions of the taliban, they do tend to cooperate, and we all know about that. of course, there are some people in afghanistan who say that they are just against a foreign military presence. those are people that president karzai and his colleagues in the afghan government are trying to talk to, and say, "guys, come into the government" and pakistan reports that afghan-led reconciliation process. know other than that anybody who targets civilians in afghanistan, pakistan, or any other country is a terrorist and we oppose terrorists and we fight them. >> charlie: today, the relationship between the president of pakistan and the president of afghanistan is, what? cordial? warm? what? >> friendly. pr
and the afghanistan taliban? >> the biggest difference is who the target is. the taliban want to create their version of an islamic state in pakistan and on pakistani territory and soil and the afghan have the same purpose but their target is in afghanistan. all these extremist groups, whether al qaeda or the different factions of the taliban, they do tend to cooperate, and we all know about that. of course, there are some people in afghanistan who say that they are just against a foreign...
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but the taliban are protecting him. so those who think that we can delink these two groups are rejecting this history. i think if anything, the taliban of today are much more radical. much more extreme than they were back in 2001. weave seen the taliban engaging in suicide bombings. beheadings. they are essentially morphed into a terrorist group whereas back in 2001 they were a bona fide government. so certainly i think that we need the more troops on the ound there to protect the afghan people. they are the center of gravity. i think having spent the summer with mcchrystal's trps myself, if he asks for 40,000 troops, the man on the ground knows what he is talking about. >> rose: exactly. so if he says he needs 40,000, then he needs 40,000 is what you are saying. >> yeah, certainly it worked iraq. there were a clot -- a lot of critics in the surge but peted rayus was proven correct. they put the extra troops in, they protected the iraqi people. this gave time for the iraqis to arm up and create the anbar awakening and w
but the taliban are protecting him. so those who think that we can delink these two groups are rejecting this history. i think if anything, the taliban of today are much more radical. much more extreme than they were back in 2001. weave seen the taliban engaging in suicide bombings. beheadings. they are essentially morphed into a terrorist group whereas back in 2001 they were a bona fide government. so certainly i think that we need the more troops on the ound there to protect the afghan...
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i think either the taliban... some of the taliban don actually know about this because baradar is so secretive about his whereabouts that they actually didn't know and are only coming to figure out that he was picked up. or it's just been a... it's a very... it's a very hard blow to them. and i think they're trying to put the best face on it. >> rose: how did it happen? how much cooperation between pakistanis and americans to make this possible? >> my understanding was it was a joint c.i.a./i.s.i. raid. i.s.i., of course,s inner service intelligence, that's the pakistani military intelligence network. you know, this thick has been, i have to say, i mean, i've been covering this place in pakistan for a long time and i've never seen anything quite so secretive as this and in pakistan, you know, i kind of joke by sayin there really aren't any secrets in pakistan because this sort of thing leaks out so quickly usually. they can't keep it secret. but in this case there's been virtually nothing has come out. and it's...
i think either the taliban... some of the taliban don actually know about this because baradar is so secretive about his whereabouts that they actually didn't know and are only coming to figure out that he was picked up. or it's just been a... it's a very... it's a very hard blow to them. and i think they're trying to put the best face on it. >> rose: how did it happen? how much cooperation between pakistanis and americans to make this possible? >> my understanding was it was a...
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to negotiate with the taliban? >> i think that's something that would be determined way down the road. i think in any counterinsurgency, if you're successful you get to a point where there's got to be some kind of reconciliation. but we're not at that point right now. we're not even close to it with respect to the taliban so that's something i'll leave for conversation at a point a considerable distance down the road at this point. >> rose: the president said in afghanistan we're not winning. are the taliban winning? >> i said last september we're not winning, but i think we can. and in the counterinsurgentsy, if you're not winning, you're losing. >> rose: exactly. >> by definition. so in that sense certainly they've increased their capability, they've... they have run over the last year much more complex attacks. they have generated a significantly... significant rise in the level of violence and they've... and they're starting to turn the people back towards them. the feedback i get from many of the afghans now i
to negotiate with the taliban? >> i think that's something that would be determined way down the road. i think in any counterinsurgency, if you're successful you get to a point where there's got to be some kind of reconciliation. but we're not at that point right now. we're not even close to it with respect to the taliban so that's something i'll leave for conversation at a point a considerable distance down the road at this point. >> rose: the president said in afghanistan we're...
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the taliban could regroup as they have done before. back to you. >> people in south korea pay their respects to the former president who died on tuesday. he was 85. thousands attended a memorial for the man known as south korea's most fervent champion of peace and democracy. once he was treated as a dangerous radical, tortured and survived several assassination attempts. he also sent his condolences along with a delegation to his funeral. it was a deadly is attacked in --, 95 killed in baghdad. with elections due in january, more violence is feared. it was -- it happened close to the heavily fortified green zone. we have the report. >> the blast was felt across baghdad, a meeting of tribal chiefs disrupted by a massive explosion. note to terrorism, they chanted. the bomb went off just outside the conference hall next to the foreign ministry. it was designed to kill and injure on a massive scale. >> i was sitting inside and suddenly i was showered from glass from the window. >> with dozens dead and hundreds wounded, it was the worst att
the taliban could regroup as they have done before. back to you. >> people in south korea pay their respects to the former president who died on tuesday. he was 85. thousands attended a memorial for the man known as south korea's most fervent champion of peace and democracy. once he was treated as a dangerous radical, tortured and survived several assassination attempts. he also sent his condolences along with a delegation to his funeral. it was a deadly is attacked in --, 95 killed in...
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>> the taliban... the united states worked with the taliban in the 1990s. we invited the taliban to use on the, unocal did. this began as a war against al qaeda. this has morphed into a war against the taliban. i do think we can work with the taliban and the big elephant here-- this is a cliche-- in the room is that the pakistanis did not create haqqani and omar and themselves, we were an integral part of that and every afghan on the ground knows very well we were a part of that. >> rose: so they're motivated to produce them? >> pakistan? >> rose: yes. >> of course. >> rose: if informs in fact the united states said we're going to reduce... they'll ask you this. the united states is going to dramatically reduce its aid both military and economic aid to pakistan. would the pakistanis then do all these things we would like for them to do having to do with conflict in afghanistan or not? >> no, because in my view their ultimate goal is to control... pakistan's ultimate goal is to control afghanistan. >> rose: or have somebody they think is favorable to them. >
>> the taliban... the united states worked with the taliban in the 1990s. we invited the taliban to use on the, unocal did. this began as a war against al qaeda. this has morphed into a war against the taliban. i do think we can work with the taliban and the big elephant here-- this is a cliche-- in the room is that the pakistanis did not create haqqani and omar and themselves, we were an integral part of that and every afghan on the ground knows very well we were a part of that. >>...
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cayou peel away the taliban from the insurgency? can you peel away members of the taliban! i'd liking to go back to iraq because if you describe the conditions, a number of things came togethe first we had been fighting there for a significant amount of time and many of the iraqi people were tired of the violence and they were deep loy fended by some of the things that were occurring. and that was not insignificant. second, we had worked very hard to grow iraqi security forces and it was not without challenges. as you know, there were ups and downs, successes and fault... our defeats in building that force. ae also though cumulatively had done very hard work against al qaeda in iraq infrastructure. it had been a consistent persistent effort. when the decision was need surge forces, in fact, that had several impacts. one, it built upon previous work done it hit at a time when i believe a tremendous number of the iraqi people were ready for this to move toward security. they were tired of the killing. and then it also demonstrated commitment and resolve. and so those things c
cayou peel away the taliban from the insurgency? can you peel away members of the taliban! i'd liking to go back to iraq because if you describe the conditions, a number of things came togethe first we had been fighting there for a significant amount of time and many of the iraqi people were tired of the violence and they were deep loy fended by some of the things that were occurring. and that was not insignificant. second, we had worked very hard to grow iraqi security forces and it was not...
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maulvi omar has become a prominent figure in the taliban. joining me from islamabad is our correspondent. how reliable and how credible is this report of the capture of this man? >> we have still photographs sent to us by the intelligence agencies in pakistan. they clearly show maulvi omar in their custody. they will hold a press comers' later in the day. we believe he has been transfered from the main city. -- they will hold a press conference later in the day. maulvi omar is a very well-known figure in terms of the taliban in pakistan. he was the chief spokesman. he was more than that. he was a leader in his own right and a chief aide to the head of the pakistani taliban, and a man who is believed to be dead. there are feeling pretty good about things at the moment. >> if he is more than just a spokesperson, do you think this represents -a major blow to the taliban in pakistan? >> it is certainly a blow, but there are other senior commanders of the taliban were made out there. the pakistani army feels that the taliban ranks are now in disa
maulvi omar has become a prominent figure in the taliban. joining me from islamabad is our correspondent. how reliable and how credible is this report of the capture of this man? >> we have still photographs sent to us by the intelligence agencies in pakistan. they clearly show maulvi omar in their custody. they will hold a press comers' later in the day. we believe he has been transfered from the main city. -- they will hold a press conference later in the day. maulvi omar is a very...
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the taliban have to come back and fight us for the it. another data point on governance and this surprised me. as we secured and stabilized some of those areas in those two provinces, better district governors have come over to take over from what we've had in the past. when you look at it, it's understandable because once you have some security and stability, better people come forward because they want to get something done. they don't want to line their pockets with money or have a sweetheart relationship with the taliban. people who have been suffering for a long time, and this kind of leadership is starting to step forward. i don't want to be polyannaish about it, we've got a long way to go here but it is significant. >> charlie: there are a number of pieces in today's the "new york times," cjad h a piece putting afghan through a plan said the following. afghan units are supposed to be prepared to take over security. they're often unwilling to set out in independent patrols beyond trips back and fort between their own positions and t
the taliban have to come back and fight us for the it. another data point on governance and this surprised me. as we secured and stabilized some of those areas in those two provinces, better district governors have come over to take over from what we've had in the past. when you look at it, it's understandable because once you have some security and stability, better people come forward because they want to get something done. they don't want to line their pockets with money or have a...
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so taliban have been getting beaten up. a reporter i respect who knows that part of the world has keptly reported based on taliban sources that they've been taking a beating. if they know that this fight going to continue for another year, two years, some longer period than expected, there's some more reason for them to get into this negotiating process. i think that's the other thing. >> charlie: if that's true, why didn't he leave them all on the ground and follow the command -- >> would have liked to leave them alone. to quote secretary of defense gates, presidents are responsive to public opinion and the country -- >> charlie: it's a decision borne out of politics and public opinion. >> to finish this thought about negotiations. the president, i think, although he is continuing to have troops in the field increasingly believe he wants to drive this toward some negotiated settlement. we have secret talks under way with the taliban. they've tually been somewhat more promising than people thought. we should keep that in ou
so taliban have been getting beaten up. a reporter i respect who knows that part of the world has keptly reported based on taliban sources that they've been taking a beating. if they know that this fight going to continue for another year, two years, some longer period than expected, there's some more reason for them to get into this negotiating process. i think that's the other thing. >> charlie: if that's true, why didn't he leave them all on the ground and follow the command --...
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millions of dollars to turn the taliban. world leaders back a new strategy f afghanistan. >> the public wants to see afghanistan takes all the strides towards ownership of its security and [unintelligible] >> facing the public for the first time since his state of the union address. the former french prime minister is acquitted of plotting to smear nicolas sarkozy. a warm welcome to "bbc world news." pleading haiti's case to the world's elite. bill clinton tells an audience oin that was what the country needs. >> pickups are bigger. i need a hundred yesterday. >> j.d. salinger dies at age of 91. hello to you. afghans could be in charge of security by the end of this year. there is a fund to pay taliban fighters to give up their weapons and bring moderate members of back to society. john simpson has this. >> with the personal chemistry clearly working, hillary clinton and david milliband meet and conference. skill for planning -- skillful planning meant their representatives could agree. americans took a backseat. it was gord
millions of dollars to turn the taliban. world leaders back a new strategy f afghanistan. >> the public wants to see afghanistan takes all the strides towards ownership of its security and [unintelligible] >> facing the public for the first time since his state of the union address. the former french prime minister is acquitted of plotting to smear nicolas sarkozy. a warm welcome to "bbc world news." pleading haiti's case to the world's elite. bill clinton tells an...
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they said they've killed a couple hundred taliban fighters and captureed the home village of the taliban leader. and they say the operation should be over in six to eight weeks which is when the snows fall in this part of the world when major prayings will be made impossible by the winter. and of course not every pakistani shares that optimistic. they say the chances are the taliban will flee when they think that they can't win anymore and they'll come back to fight another day. >> any suggestion that pakistanis are starting to feel this is not a fight worth waging given the number of attacks and presumably they are going to continue? >> yes. certainly there's criticism of the government. certainly there are people that say the government and the police the security forces should be doing more to protect the cities to stop further attacks. but by and large the army and the government are confident that most pakistanis still do support this over in south waziristan. at the moment, they say most people back them. >> ok. mark, for now, thank you indeed. germany's new parliament the formally
they said they've killed a couple hundred taliban fighters and captureed the home village of the taliban leader. and they say the operation should be over in six to eight weeks which is when the snows fall in this part of the world when major prayings will be made impossible by the winter. and of course not every pakistani shares that optimistic. they say the chances are the taliban will flee when they think that they can't win anymore and they'll come back to fight another day. >> any...
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." >> american and afghan soldiers have begun to face the taliban. survivors of the haitian earthquake remember hundred thousand of victims. an her effect -- horrific crash. welcome to bbc world news. coming up later, nightmare before christmas. heart criticism about the tunnel linking britain and france. cape town's new theater breaks new ground. hello. u.s. marines launched an unexpected attack on the taliban and assault of afghanistan. the aim of the assault, the largest since a obama ordered and 30,000 reinforcements last december. we have adam brooks. this has long been expected. the question must be whether the taliban is still there and if civilians have managed to get away. >> you don't expect a salt of this sort is that the forefront, and they must do everything they can to minimize penalties. there's also the hope that perhaps low bubble taliban fighters are not so committed to the attack of thousands of marines, that they would leave, as well. the flip side of this is that those taliban who want to remain and fight, they have begun to set
." >> american and afghan soldiers have begun to face the taliban. survivors of the haitian earthquake remember hundred thousand of victims. an her effect -- horrific crash. welcome to bbc world news. coming up later, nightmare before christmas. heart criticism about the tunnel linking britain and france. cape town's new theater breaks new ground. hello. u.s. marines launched an unexpected attack on the taliban and assault of afghanistan. the aim of the assault, the largest since a...
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they did find a taliban and decisions-in a melon patch. -- a taliban munitions patch they were sniping at the soldiers operation we joined. the afghan forces lacked much and british officers say privately they are -- there is still a big problem with corruption. nato's deployment has peaked. the question now is will the afghans be able to do the job of the british soldiers have been doing as they start to leave? >> that is the question indeed. on the ground, the fighting continues. in washington, three american senators, three -- two democrats and one republican pended op-ed in the "new york times" which called for a more rapid withdrawal of all american combat troops. tom udall is among those arguing the case. thank you for joining me. you criticize president obama for not bringing back american troops fast enough from afghanistan. what would you like him to do? >> the thing we have to realize is the thing we went in with objectives. those objectives were displacing a government that was harboring terrorists. terrorist camps, al qaeda was hooked up with them, and osama bin laden was i
they did find a taliban and decisions-in a melon patch. -- a taliban munitions patch they were sniping at the soldiers operation we joined. the afghan forces lacked much and british officers say privately they are -- there is still a big problem with corruption. nato's deployment has peaked. the question now is will the afghans be able to do the job of the british soldiers have been doing as they start to leave? >> that is the question indeed. on the ground, the fighting continues. in...
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i look forward to it. >> taliban militants have launched an attack. insurgence fired on the officers taking control in another building. joining me is our correspondent. martin, i sense that some of this is trickling in as we speak. >> this incident took place just an hour's drive from the kabul city. they fired rockets into the nearby compound. police chief. many people from where the fighting was taking place. they fired at the insurgence sheltering there. this is not a question of leaving a bomb on a road side or anything. >> we have seen these types of attacks using mult people attackers. there's a couple of reasons for that. these institutionals aren't guarded as well as those in the afghan capitol. they are easy to strike at. these what they want to do is shore to the people that the afghan government are weak. do you that by attacking the government institutional. the people will see that the tally- is strength we have seen a number of similar type attacks in resent the significance of this attack is that they are so close to the capitol days a
i look forward to it. >> taliban militants have launched an attack. insurgence fired on the officers taking control in another building. joining me is our correspondent. martin, i sense that some of this is trickling in as we speak. >> this incident took place just an hour's drive from the kabul city. they fired rockets into the nearby compound. police chief. many people from where the fighting was taking place. they fired at the insurgence sheltering there. this is not a question...
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taliban perceived? >> depends on where you go. in the north, i mean, in the sort of civil war, the prospect of civil war i described is basically a north-south thing. >> rose: which it was before. >> which it was before. >> rose: here is secretary of defense robert games told me on may 16th 2012. >> do you believe the afghans will be able to take over and perform in a way to prevent a taliban takeover in 2014? >> i think a lot -- i think the answer to that question depends in part on how the next two and a half years plays out. the afghan army has grown a lot faster than was originally planned, and i think despite the problems that we have had that everything i have heard, everything i saw in my many visits out there is pretty good. i mean nobody ever questioned the afghan's ability to fight. >> rose: so they are sticking to the point of your article here, what happens when they come out and they are basically saying we don't know, we don't really know. >> we are rolling the dice, you know, we are leavi
taliban perceived? >> depends on where you go. in the north, i mean, in the sort of civil war, the prospect of civil war i described is basically a north-south thing. >> rose: which it was before. >> which it was before. >> rose: here is secretary of defense robert games told me on may 16th 2012. >> do you believe the afghans will be able to take over and perform in a way to prevent a taliban takeover in 2014? >> i think a lot -- i think the answer to that...
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the taliban did not leave. they are watching the echo company's every move. >> the taliban knows that we are on patrol. >> it was not long before the taliban launched an attack. >> two guys with ak-47s! >> two men with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades were firing at us. after an initial burst of gunfire, an rpg when overhead. the marines moved through corp. -- compounds after the enemy was spotted. after heavy gunfire and some grenades the attackers went quiet. several marines claim to have hit their target. >> no one even dimensions 9/11 anymore. to me that is no reason i am here. it is why i went to iraq. why i joined the marine corps. now we are here. and i do not know why. >> although it is hard to get the local people inside, especially when there is still fighting, the commander is sure that he can succeed. >> by the winter time the taliban will be on their heels, wondering what to do next. >> the echo company is here for another five months. what happens in that time could define the war in afg
the taliban did not leave. they are watching the echo company's every move. >> the taliban knows that we are on patrol. >> it was not long before the taliban launched an attack. >> two guys with ak-47s! >> two men with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades were firing at us. after an initial burst of gunfire, an rpg when overhead. the marines moved through corp. -- compounds after the enemy was spotted. after heavy gunfire and some grenades the attackers went quiet....
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but it does give insight into the taliban mind. we do not often no the forces, the enemy facing international troops and afghan forces. we do know now, from these 27,000 interrogations', 4000 militants from al qaeda and taliban, they are still almost a buoyant. they did not believe they will be defeated and they are not ready for surrender. >> if i could come to you in an islamabad -- these accusations are not new but do they come with greater force given the source of information? >> yes, they are not new. in the past, the pakistanis have said there has been flawed intelligence and unreliable sources. they are likely to say the same thing this time. but this time around we are talking about thousands of interrogations' that this is based on. we do also have this time around very specific information about where perhaps taliban leaders or relatives of the hakani that were being hidden in pakistan. there are lines in the report talked about members of that family being based and living right next to the isi headquarters here in this
but it does give insight into the taliban mind. we do not often no the forces, the enemy facing international troops and afghan forces. we do know now, from these 27,000 interrogations', 4000 militants from al qaeda and taliban, they are still almost a buoyant. they did not believe they will be defeated and they are not ready for surrender. >> if i could come to you in an islamabad -- these accusations are not new but do they come with greater force given the source of information?...
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fear that taliban will allow al qaeda to grow give eight sanctuary if taliban are in control? >> i think the military feels that way. i think you've heard sect gates say that in recent weeks. just this week he said there was a connection, a symbiotic relationship, you've heard secretary of state hillary clinton say the same thing. they look at that as a problem of them being together not al qaeda separately. not the taliban separately. >> charlie: before i go to jamie because he's had longer view, where are the players, peter? who is arguing what? >> well, vice president biden has been the most vocal skeptic of the idea of sending substantial new troops to afghanistan. he's telling telling people that tease not argue for less troops but that increase resources in afghanistan misses the point. pakistan is the most important priority right now. on the other side you do see military as martha just talked about admiral mullin, general petraeus and general mccrystal, somewhere in the middle to secretary gates and clinton. both of whom have been hawkish to some extent in the past, b
fear that taliban will allow al qaeda to grow give eight sanctuary if taliban are in control? >> i think the military feels that way. i think you've heard sect gates say that in recent weeks. just this week he said there was a connection, a symbiotic relationship, you've heard secretary of state hillary clinton say the same thing. they look at that as a problem of them being together not al qaeda separately. not the taliban separately. >> charlie: before i go to jamie because he's...
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and that the taliban had the momentum. you heard robert gates say the same thing over the past couple of months. the taliban has the momentum. it wasn't really status quo. it really wasn't static over there at all. i don't know how the president could come out and say... i think that would be the last choice of him to come out and say we're going to leave it just as it is. i don't know how you just train troops if everything around you is going south. >> charlie: david, what questions were the president asking? what do we know about how he came to this conclusion? >> well, this wasn't... well, one formulation of the coin... strategy is clear, hold and build. one of the main concerns he has, okay, we clear which is to say get the taliban out of an area. we hold it for a little while. then who exactly are they transferring it over to? and what i kept hearing from white house people and people in those meetings was incredible skepticism about the karzai government. when you heard that skepticism over and over again and it's i
and that the taliban had the momentum. you heard robert gates say the same thing over the past couple of months. the taliban has the momentum. it wasn't really status quo. it really wasn't static over there at all. i don't know how the president could come out and say... i think that would be the last choice of him to come out and say we're going to leave it just as it is. i don't know how you just train troops if everything around you is going south. >> charlie: david, what questions...
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the taliban -- >> the taliban are responsible for many deaths. this is a gloomy uncompromising message. the fight continues. there is an absolute conviction in what they are doing, the kind that only comes from believing you are engaged in a holy jihad. >> our leader will appoint a representative to talk. leader should ask for forces to leave the country. when he does that, we will sit down and talk to him. without it, we cannot. >> the challenge for incoming troops will be to weaken or marginalize the taliban a group that president obama says has gained momentum. bbc news, kabul. >> not the rest of the week's news. you in security forces launching their investigation after it confirmed plane crash towards the end of last month was caused by a bomb. and least 26 people were killed nearly 100 were injured when it exploded as a train was in a remote area from moscow to st. petersburg. a militant islamic group claimed responsibility for the bomb as the week progressed. here is the report. >> by daybreak the damage caused this. three carriages going
the taliban -- >> the taliban are responsible for many deaths. this is a gloomy uncompromising message. the fight continues. there is an absolute conviction in what they are doing, the kind that only comes from believing you are engaged in a holy jihad. >> our leader will appoint a representative to talk. leader should ask for forces to leave the country. when he does that, we will sit down and talk to him. without it, we cannot. >> the challenge for incoming troops will be to...
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even its seams for the number two in the afghan taliban. this city of 15 million is used to keeping secrets. on the streets tonight, we found some wary of even talking about the taliban. this man did not want us to use his name. >> you never know who might be listening, and you are never really sure whose side someone is on, so basically, you tend to be a little shy. >> but others call for more taliban leaders to be arrested. >> by all means, around the uth and ship them off. it would be great to have more camp -- crinals in jail. >> even with the help of the cia? >> as long as they're doing right thing, helping them capture the talibanthat is fine. >> tonight, details are still emerging, but we are told it took place under cover gardens. according to pakistani security forces, agents home in on the director between 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning on february 8. they say he was arrested at a religious school outside city limits. he is the most senior taliban leaders arrested since 9/11. second in command to the reclusive supreme leader. as the
even its seams for the number two in the afghan taliban. this city of 15 million is used to keeping secrets. on the streets tonight, we found some wary of even talking about the taliban. this man did not want us to use his name. >> you never know who might be listening, and you are never really sure whose side someone is on, so basically, you tend to be a little shy. >> but others call for more taliban leaders to be arrested. >> by all means, around the uth and ship them off....
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to give members of the taliban a way out? >> david, thank you very much indeed. can the united states kickstart the stalled middle east peace talks? u.s. defense attorney robert gates is in israel in an attempt to do precisely that. he is one of four senior officials meeting in the course of the week. all at a time when the relations between the countries are unusually tense. but go to jerusalem now. our middle east correspondent, cattleya adler, is there. any reason to believe that in the course of this week that tension could be eased at all? >> well, what we are hearing from the office of israel's defense minister, ehud barak, is there is no breakdown but no major breakthrough, at no breakthrough really is expected this week. the israelis are impressed by the host of big u.s. names coming to town this week. it has been described in the israeli press as an airlift of u.s. officials. there is george mitchell, the special middle east envoy, jim jones, expected later in the week with a high-level delegation. as you say, robert
to give members of the taliban a way out? >> david, thank you very much indeed. can the united states kickstart the stalled middle east peace talks? u.s. defense attorney robert gates is in israel in an attempt to do precisely that. he is one of four senior officials meeting in the course of the week. all at a time when the relations between the countries are unusually tense. but go to jerusalem now. our middle east correspondent, cattleya adler, is there. any reason to believe that in...
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some of the taliban are ideological. we went to meet a middle ranking taliban commander. the capital is under government control but insurgents still come and go. he says he has 900 fighters in the province. the taliban line is quite simple. no peace negotiations until the americans leave. >> my advice to the americans is that if their families are suffering from their presence here, they should go. as long as one american remains, we will not stop. but what then? -- >> what then? >> the day that foreign forces leave afghanistan, we will sit down with the government. if they do not accept demands, we will continue the attack. >> a ragtag army, perhaps, but in places the taliban are in charge. along with their checkpoints, the insurgents create their own administration. here, is love and justice is dispensed. >> paying bribes to the courts of slave governments and westerners. the court of the islamic emirates is not corruption. islamic emirates is mercy and kindness. >> even within the government military there are taliban loyalists. insurgents are getting new recruits, li
some of the taliban are ideological. we went to meet a middle ranking taliban commander. the capital is under government control but insurgents still come and go. he says he has 900 fighters in the province. the taliban line is quite simple. no peace negotiations until the americans leave. >> my advice to the americans is that if their families are suffering from their presence here, they should go. as long as one american remains, we will not stop. but what then? -- >> what then?...
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some of them may become $10-a-day taliban members, as they say. our job, therefore, is not only to help the afghan government point the way to a brighter future for them and their families, you also have to secure them as they're doing that. in iraq, again, it wasn't just that all of a sudden the sunni arabs decided to cut their ties with al qaeda after several years of tacitly or actively supporting the insurgency, it was that we explicitly said "we'll secure you if you do that," and the very first sheik, even before the surge started parked two tanks in front of his house but as we had the surge forces we were able to do that in much greater scale and, of course, we explicitly adopted that approach as we saw the possibilities. >> charlie: if this succeeds, it will be, right or wrong, the fastest implementation of a counterinsurgency strategy ever. >> well, depends where you want to start the clock and how you want to do that. there is no question that from the time of getting the inputs right, which is about now, to the time that we want to begi
some of them may become $10-a-day taliban members, as they say. our job, therefore, is not only to help the afghan government point the way to a brighter future for them and their families, you also have to secure them as they're doing that. in iraq, again, it wasn't just that all of a sudden the sunni arabs decided to cut their ties with al qaeda after several years of tacitly or actively supporting the insurgency, it was that we explicitly said "we'll secure you if you do that," and...